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What are people's thoughts on proxying cards that you just can't afford? Like something from the reserve list?

For kitchen-table level play only, of course, cause that's literally all I play anyway.

(For context's sake, I'm talking about Serra's Sanctum for Bant Enchantress. I'm not going after a lotus or moxen or ABUR duals or Time Walk or something.)

Ok, since proposing this question, I've been fiddling with designs. I wanted to have something that clearly was not the actual card, so nobody would feel 'fooled.'

And now a non-zero amount of my determination to do this is based on how good the art looks in an M15-era legendary frame:

@ajanionthespot I never have an issue with it. Proxies and gold borders are fine so long as it isn't sanctioned.

@ajanionthespot also my fiancee would probably love to talk bant enchantments with you

@ajanionthespot What I do in a lot of my custom card designs is just outright say "Not a Real Card" on the artist by-line.

It's a crude solution, but it's a solution.

@ajanionthespot I just scribble things on 3/4 of a sticky note, hand torn, attached to a basic land not in my colors, maybe some crayons to indicate color, and sleeve it up

or print the card on a black and white laser printer, 9 per page, so they're obviously not real, similarly crayons and sleeved with a land

I feel the kind of friends who would argue about the micrometer thickness of the cards would've said no to proxies

@mycroft @ajanionthespot I agree that b&w, or otherwise obviously not real cards feel better to me than trying to get close to a real-looking card.

And yeah, power level/price. When one player brings proxied stuff like Jace, the Mind Sculptor to a game where the other people held back with proxies, that's kinda meh.

@ajanionthespot I'm all for it, but preferably within a meta where anyone is free to do the same. One or two cards, if they're not part of an infinite or instant-win combo, get a yes-of-course-go-ahead from me.

Net-decking a whole US$10,000 deck, though, I'd kinda want to know what you're going for so I can fantasy-brew a US$10,000 deck to go with it.

@ajanionthespot And of course everything in between on a case-by-case basis.

I proxy cards with my kitchen table playgroup, with the intent if I really like the deck I'll pursue getting the cards eventually, but don't want to invest if it turns out to be a dud.

(I proxied some cards to make a Yisan, Wandering Bard deck, and oh gosh that's more shuffling than I really ever want)

@mycroft @ajanionthespot

I literally pirate MTG all of the time by playing on Cockatrice, so I'm naturally in favor of proxying whatever cards you want.

As much as I love MTG, I really hate how prohibitively expensive it can get.

@newdarkcloud @ajanionthespot The only caveat I can provide for that is that if a card is really expensive on the secondary market, it might have a very high power level within a certain complexity, and limiting to budget cards is a way to limit power and complexity levels within a playgroup.

If there's people in your playgroup can and will drop mad money on cardboard, though, that flies out the window.

@mycroft @ajanionthespot Ironically, this became a big problem with my playgroups Cockatrice matches, so we decided to impose a "budget" of $300 on our Cockatrice commander decks.

@newdarkcloud @ajanionthespot Of course, it all comes down to communication within your playgroup and whatever y'all think is most fun.

"We haven’t changed the underlying philosophy of Commander: it’s specifically intended to be something other than a tournament format in which players consider each other’s experiences alongside their own."
(from today's ban announcement mtgcommander.net/Forum/viewtop )

@mycroft @ajanionthespot Yeah. And from my games in Anthrocon, that social element is part of what makes the format as enduring as it is.

It felt so good to play paper for once.

@ajanionthespot
im all for playing 100%-proxied legacy/vintage with friends doing the same. there are neat decks, they really test your ability to play mtg, and sometimes its just fun to break the game

@ajanionthespot
As long as somebody isn't abusing it. I don't want to see a deck with black lotus, all the moxs and all the duel lands using proxies.

@ajanionthespot fucking do it. Just have the full oracle text available and you’re good to go.

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